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It is not a surprise to read that those making a living off the backs of the New York City carriage horses want to see the industry continue.

It’s the people WITHOUT a financial interest in it whose opinion should be taken most to heart, and the great majority of those people want to see an end to this antiquated business.

Note that the recent reports of accidents and deaths are only the ones that have been captured by cell phone and camera; it’s logical to assume that there are many other stumbles, spooks, collapses and, maybe, deaths that go unreported.

Please support State Sen. Tony Avella and Assembly Member Linda Rosenthal’s bill to ban horse-drawn carriages in New York City, and then let’s do all we can to prevent Christine Quinn from becoming mayor in 2013, as she is a staunch supporter of the carriage industry.

—Mickey Kramer

A Gold Standard

Just finished reading the article by Anam Baig and Sean Creamer. I am not a city resident but a frequent visitor, living in Sleepy Hollow, Westchester County. Having owned and ridden horses for the better part of 15 years, I have some knowledge of the horse world.

It appears that the New York Horse and Carriage Association has done its due diligence for the profession. The formation of ClipClopNYC to distribute information and open its doors to the general public is a gold standard for any profession. The fact that the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene licenses the horse and carriage industry is another gold standard.

Have horses sustained injuries in the carriage business? Yes, they have. If one were to really examine the circumstances surrounding these incidents, I am sure that much less sensational stories would emerge than what appears in the local papers and would certainly diminish the fire behind the so-called activism.

—Jim Masiello 

All in Your Mind

The bottom line is that it is far safer to take a carriage ride than ride a bike. Or walk or exist. The argument “carriage horses are abused because the city is a risky place to live” is hilarious. Ban all animals and living beings in New York City because they are mortal. Grow up, peeps. The stables are great, the horses are great. The only abuse is in your own heads.

—CWgirlvalerie1

Right From Wrong

Having just finished reading the article with great hope that it would be in favor of abolishing the carriages, I was dismayed to see it take a turn toward the opposite. I’m certainly not against the presentation of both sides, but it seemed to me it weighed heavily in favor of the carriage industry.

Then on to the comments (sigh), all of which seemed to be written only by carriage supporters. Excerpt: “look at the faces of the children when they see the horses, when they get to pet the horses and, if they’re lucky, get to feed the horses a carrot.” As if this cruel industry was all sweetness and light (not to mention this is not about the delight of children). But I suppose any press is good that brings this situation to light. Those with a conscience will know right from wrong.

—Catherine Messina

Ranches Next?

It seems to me that if the stables and horses are well kept, as the experienced horse people seem to be saying (horse people are generally the FIRST to shut down horse abuse!), then the animal rights people have forgotten that America was founded on the relationship between people and horses. How did we transport ourselves and our belongings to the West Coast to achieve “Manifest Destiny”? How do we catch and medicate cattle on 600,000-acre ranches—will we ban the use of horses on ranches and relegate those cows to live in large sheds instead of roaming the range?

—K. Taylor-Rhys

Well Taken Care Of

We went to ClipClopNYC to see for ourselves what was going on with the New York carriage horses. We found a pleasant, well-kept working barn. The horses looked good and were well-groomed. They were friendly and wanted to interact with our large group as we wandered about the building. An abused or stressed animal would go to the back of the stall and attempt to ignore us or turn away. Not these guys; they were very friendly—something a horse out in public needs to be.

The stable was airy, with good ventilation. Fans and misters were available for summer heat. There were sprinklers throughout the building. Each stall was matted and well bedded. There was free-access hay and water. Manure was managed well enough that there was next to no odor in a building housing 75 horses—something that is not possible if it is not regularly kept up with. The workers we saw throughout the building were calm and gentle with the horses and we saw several being prepared for their day’s work—including walking down the ramps. The horses negotiate the ramps at a normal walk, not sliding down or walking with a hesitating step as if to keep their balance. Not an issue to be concerned with.

—T. Haertlein

Horses Can’t Cope

I don’t know if you folks missed the fact that there are no sprinklers on street corners, no hay beds in the roads, no fans or heaters. New York City climates are hard to endure at times, but people can cope—we can stop in air-conditioned stores or heated cabs. For the horses, it’s not all that simple.

You speak of ignorance, but there is no greater ignorance than the refusal to change. How can you possibly say that a horse is better off living in crowded New York City than in an open field, free to roam where they please? If you want your kids to see a horse, take them to a farm, not Central Park.

—V. Rebel

Bunny Abraham
Upper West Side

No need for another law: deal with the miscreant (“New Amsterdam is not Amsterdam,” July 1)! The police can easily confiscate the errant bike and the lesson will be learned. At present, the cops just ignore the situation, unlike where they and their families live.

Nicholas Arena
Upper West Side

Re: “Final Curtain for O’Neals’” (June 3)—it saddens me to see another good and popular restaurant close its doors. However, if I remember correctly, the brothers had a restaurant at the address named O’Neals’ Balloon. I had heard that the word “balloon” was used in place of O’Neals’ Saloon. For some reason they could not use the word “saloon.” In another part of New York, they opened Ginger Man. Is my mind playing tricks with me? Will one of your astute readers set me right or wrong? Thank you.

Bunny Abraham
Upper West Side

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Editor’s Note:

According to owner Michael O’Neal, the family did open a restaurant called O’Neals’ Saloon in 1967, across the street from the present day O’Neals’ (then the Ginger Man). A few weeks after it opened, Michael O’Neal received a letter from the State Liquor Authority saying that it would not license a saloon. There was no formal law banning saloons, but a regulation dating back to the end of Prohibition had halted the practice. His wife came up with the idea of putting a paper “B” over the “S,” even though “baloon” was misspelled. Eventually, a law was passed permitting the authority to license saloons, but O’Neal had gotten so much press (“the most press I ever received in my entire life”) and another saloon had already opened on the street, so he just kept the name “baloon” as a little joke. O’Neals’ Baloon eventually closed.

The original name of O’Neals’ was the Ginger Man, a nod to brother Patrick O’Neal’s role in the Off-Broadway production of the same name. Today, another bar called the Ginger Man operates on East 36th Street, but it has no connection to the O’Neal family.

I enjoyed Ben Krull’s column, “Dissecting My Fox Fix” (May 20), with modest amusement. But I have a beef with one sentence: “Most of what I hear on Hannity’s show is lies and misrepresentations, double-talk and hyperbole.”

I can describe that wordage in two words: bovine residue.

Look, I’m a regular viewer of Hannity’s TV show and yes, he leans to the right—nothing wrong with that. But he always has liberals on the program to express their views. A little bird tells me that Mr. Krull is sorry he let that “garbage” slip into his column. I would expect folderol from a 14-year-old high school sophomore, but not from a seasoned and respected essayist as Mr. Krull.

So I ask readers who have not turned on Sean Hannity at 9 p.m. on the Fox News Channel to watch his show for as little as two or three evenings. I doubt very much that you will agree with Mr. Krull’s twaddle, but I could be wrong. You decide.

Joe Morrone
East 75th Street

Dear Mr. Baker:
Thank you for your recent letter to Deputy Mayor Doctoroff regarding the United Nations and Governors Island. We appreciate your taking the time to share your suggestion with us.

The idea of relocating the UN to Governors Island is an interesting one, and one that we have raised with the UN at various time (sic) over the last several years. To date they have indicated they are not at all interested in relocating for a variety of reasons, not least of which is the difficulty associated with gaining consensus for a move of that significance among nearly 200 member nations. As the UN owns its site, aside from offering the suggestion and our assistance there is little we can do to push the issue any further.

Thank you again for your letter. We’ll continue to keep the idea on our radar screen.

Sincerely,
Marc Ricks
Chief of Staff