Inspectah Deck Says Wu-Dunnit I tried to use Deck’s When did you join Wu-Tang? Yeah, I wanna go all the We always been together, You’re referring to Words From the Genius So you guys all knew each When you split it up, you Do you have any tapes of People have them. [They] So all nine of you were The nine you see there [in That’s amazing. It’s amazing, that’s And from day one, you were The style was Wu-Tang. It Which of those movies would Pick up Five Deadly Venoms We didn’t really have There’s a lot of doors But you guys went solo, That’s the way RZA A lot of labels must have We went to a lot of companies Nobody expected Wu-Tang Did Loud Records accept It was a small company and Let’s move on to the Sometimes I throw some words I’m sorry. I didn’t …I’m just an intelligent I like the way with a lot You ain’t gotta bob Do you think white kids It ain’t just black. Who produced Uncontrolled Myself, True Master, 4th I didn’t just put an Aren’t some of the Right now, they trying to So you don’t believe (Line dead)
long-delayed first solo album, Uncontrolled Substance (Loud), is finally set
for release September 14. One of the least flamboyant members of Wu-Tang Clan,
Deck is also probably the group’s best overall writer. His flow–and,
increasingly, his production style–suggests an alternative communication
pattern, as dense with abstract meaning as it is unbeholden to traditional syntax.
Though he claims otherwise in this interview, the guy is clearly a brainiac.
all-phoner press day as an opportunity to get some info on the early days and
inner workings of the Wu, about which surprisingly little has been reported.
Despite what you may have read in Spin or Rolling Stone, Wu-Tang
is the most important band of the decade. But they’re still too mysterious,
as of 1999, for that to be easy to see. Deck was remarkably straightforward
for an MC on press day, but he dropped a lot more clues than solutions to the
Wu-Tang conundrum. He talks almost as fast as he rhymes–this whole interview
lasted about five minutes. I don’t know whether, at the end, he hung up
on me or we just got cut off.
You goin’ back like that?
before the records and shit. We didn’t come together to make a record.
We were always doing this shit, from kids. It was RZA and GZA, it took them
to come out with a record [each] and really get jerked… That’s when we
came through and formed this whole Wu-Tang coalition.
the records RZA and GZA did before Enter the Wu-Tang…
and "Ohh, I Love You Rakeem" and all that. Those were some early bad
experiences that they learned and brought back to us because we was always people,
we always been making the tracks. RZA and GZA were the first ones out there
doing it. So they took a few shots that we didn’t have to take. Even while
they was out there doing those albums, though, we were still Wu-Tang, back at
the camp. My face just wasn’t seen yet.
other from grammar school and you were tight.
got RZA, GZA, ODB and Masta Killa, they comin’ from Brooklyn. Me, U-God,
Method Man, Raekwon and Cappadonna coming from Staten Island. RZA lived on the
island at one point, that’s what brought Genius and Dirty out there–you
know, talent shows and little neighborhood parties. Him and Dirty would rhyme,
do they routine.
those talent shows?
just show how ahead of our time we was. It’s not even funny. Half of them
shits we could put out now.
a group, even when you were still in school?
Wu-Tang] were there from day one.
what I’m saying! It’s always been there. It’s not like we came
together to make a record. It’s like if you had your childhood friends
and family growing up, who lived around you–you probably know people that
you’ve known for 15 years. But it’s not the same group… Y’all
didn’t stick together! That’s all it is, just unity. We realized that
we’re all we got.
called Wu-Tang Clan, or did you have a different name?
wasn’t Wu-Tang Clan–it was just, we rock the Wu-Tang style. It was
the renegade style [like] in the martial arts flicks [of the same name]. When
everyone was on some Buddha’s-name-be-praised, turn-the-other-cheek shit,
the Wu-Tang was the rebels. They said, Fuck that–we gotta take a stand
for ourselves. We just took that mentality to the wax. When we first came out
people thought that we was really into doing martial arts, flips and kicks and
all of that, but it wasn’t even that. It was just discipline and the honor
and the brotherhood that they were dealing with in those karate flicks. My brother
would give his life before he let you touch me. That type of mentality.
and just read how all these cats came from different walks of life [and
were] put a situation where they realize they’re all they have. One cat
get his arm chopped off, one cat gets his legs cut off, one gets crippled dumb,
deaf and blind, another one’s all retarded, but they were made like that
by a common enemy, which drew them together.
no enemy, but we had a cause. Our cause was that all of us were ill MCs, individually–the
problem [was getting] all of us out there at one time. That’s when we said,
We gonna be the Wu-Tang Clan. Same way they did it–they rebelled and shit,
against the whole organization, but their style was greater! That’s why
nobody really accepted them, ’cause they were like, not in the ruthless
form, but they didn’t accept everything. That’s the way we came in.
We didn’t accept the way the industry was, that you gotta sound like this,
or you gotta look like that, or you gotta be like this or rap about that. We
came in with our own set of rules and regulations. Let the energy follow us.
that are open now, thanks to the hardcore coming through at the time it came
through. At the time Wu-Tang made it happen, all the groups wanted to break
up–everybody wanted to go solo. Everybody wanted to shine, and be a star,
and put glassy glasses on and wear shiny suits. All the real groups were breaking
up. I recall only one group being there when we came out, that we felt was our
only competition, and that was the Hit Squad. I remember that vividly, when
we first came through with our album…but they broke up. They broke up right
when we were coming in, so it kinda cleared the path.
too. You had it both ways.
came at the labels. We got nine times the artists–you can’t sign all
nine of us to one measly deal that would fit one of us! You can’t sign
the whole Wu-Tang to a $200,000 contract! Each and every member is worth that
and more. But we took it in the beginning. Strictly because it allowed options.
passed on that.
and they told us our idea wouldn’t work–a nine-member group. They
couldn’t see it happening because they didn’t know that we were brothers
like that. They didn’t know that we’d been there before the record
shit. They thought it was all about, Oh they comin’ in, they got together
to make a record, these guys are from Shaolin, these guys are from Brooklyn,
so eventually they’ll fade out, and we’ll make our little money and
not have to worry about them no more.
to grow like this except the original Wu-Tang members who sat around the table
plottin’ it. RZA saw all this happening. He never figured that it would
escalate this big, but he was like, I had a vision. Everybody’s gonna be
able to do their thing as well as we’re gonna do it as a whole. That’s
all we needed to hear. We can be out there doin’ this too and don’t
gotta break up? Word! That was the most loveliest thing I ever heard. ’Cause
I didn’t wanna go about it by myself, back then. I knew it was a cutthroat
party and I watched RZA and GZA go through it on they own.
the deal just because they were a small company, or did they share in the vision?
they wanted to make some money. [Loud president] Steve Rifkind and them saw
the potential. But they didn’t see the longevity. Nobody did. We didn’t
even know that it would be like this, to this extent.
present, and Uncontrolled Substance. I notice that your vocabulary is
way beyond most rappers’. Do you read a lot?
on you, and sometimes I keep it simple. I can give it to you hostile or gentle.
I know my own capabilities and limitations. I read anything–I could read
the paper for inspiration. It might be some Donald Goines, but it might be USA
Today. I’m on some futuristic shit. You don’t have to read sci-fi–it’s
right there! It’s on the news, it’s happening right in front of me.
My little homeboy, from around the way, 17 years old, got thrown off a fuckin’
roof. That’d be the inspiration to my lyrics. I don’t just
throw big words like I got my nose in the dictionary. I throw shit that I know
what I’m talking about. Muthafucka going through problems in a relationship.
All types of shit I’m throwin’ on paper… A jewel or something–you
gotta drop a jewel on heads now.
mean to imply that…
black man utilizing my true power–that’s my mind. One minute I’m
talking about: "Thugs kill for drugs, plus the young bucks bust duckin’
Throats get cut when dough rush," that’s some hustla shit. I go right
from there into, "In the houses/Thousands seen early graves/
Victims of worldly ways/Memory stays engraved" [from "Better Tomorrow,"
on Wu-Tang Forever]. Then you go to another song on the Forever album,
"For Heaven’s Sake": "My rap style swing like Willie Mays/My
eyes purple haze," just freestyle.
of Wu-Tang lyrics, if you just relax and let them hit you, images arise in your
your head–you ain’t gotta do nothin’! Just absorb it. Absorb
the beat and let the rhyme take you there. That’s what RZA was trying to
tell muthafuckas. Yo, you don’t even need to go to summer school–just
listen to the Wu-Tang Forever album. It deals with a lot.
really understand what Wu-Tang has to say?
It’s shit that you go through, but in a different form or fashion. Everybody
got their own way to describe their experiences. A lot of experiences be the
Disciple, RZA, Mathematics and the Blacksmith–he’s new. Wu-Tang is
more than what it appears to be. There’s a lot of people that depend on
this right now… I’m trying to keep the tradition going. On the 36
Chambers album you heard mistakes and everything in the background. The
tape stopping and all that–the extras that gave that natural real shit
like, yo, we did it in the basement. There’s a lot of niggas out there
that are doin’ shit in their basement right now that are Wu-Tang. There’s
a lot of groups that are Wu-Tang but they can’t get out there, get noticed,
because they don’t have the access, or they don’t have the chemistry
or the formula or the financials. There’s always at least one reason…
album together and say I’m on and make a video and all that bullshit. I
wanted to make something, same way Wu-Tang did it in the beginning and opened
a lot of doors. I want this album to be not just, Okay, he’s another one
of them Wu-Tang niggas and he’s ill too, and he sold 800 thou, or 900,
a mil maybe and you don’t hear nothin’ from me ’til the next
album. I’m trying to start something. I want niggas to hear this album
and pattern they shit after this one. Like, Yo this must be the way to go now.
Because it’s gonna sound so different and so original, it’s gonna
sound like nothing you ever heard before–beats and rhymes.
other Wu-Tang guys interested in moving in completely different directions?
What’s going on right now with the group as a whole?
assassinate the character of Wu-Tang as a whole by individually fucking with
us. I’m talking about media, press, news, cops–fuckin’ everybody
that’s not showing love. Everybody’s that’s not a fan, and supporting
the music and appreciating the music, is against it. If you don’t like
something, that’s all good, but keep it to yourself! I don’t like
a lotta shit but I don’t run around saying I don’t like this, I don’t
like that–I just don’t deal with it.
in criticism? It might be my job to say I don’t like something, I think
Inspectah Deck Says Wu-Dunnit
I tried to use Deck’s
When did you join Wu-Tang?
Yeah, I wanna go all the
We always been together,
You’re referring to
Words From the Genius
So you guys all knew each
When you split it up, you
Do you have any tapes of
People have them. [They]
So all nine of you were
The nine you see there [in
It’s amazing, that’s
And from day one, you were
The style was Wu-Tang. It
Which of those movies would
Pick up Five Deadly Venoms
We didn’t really have
There’s a lot of doors
But you guys went solo,
That’s the way RZA
A lot of labels must have
We went to a lot of companies
Nobody expected Wu-Tang
Did Loud Records accept
It was a small company and
Let’s move on to the
Sometimes I throw some words
I’m sorry. I didn’t
…I’m just an intelligent
I like the way with a lot
You ain’t gotta bob
Do you think white kids
It ain’t just black.
Who produced Uncontrolled
Myself, True Master, 4th
I didn’t just put an
Aren’t some of the
Right now, they trying to
So you don’t believe