So when, on a recent Saturday
morning, the offices of New York Press were visited by three of the four
Little Kingz (drummer Joseph James was ill, exploded, or whatever it is drummers
do), that was the first question on my mind. With me was my editor and pal,
John Strausbaugh. The three Little Kingz we interviewed were Scotty F-Word (vocals),
Jimmy Gee (bass) and Pauly J (guitar). Clemente and Danny Roselle, the Kingz’s
tech guy, were there as well. Not only did I find the Kingz charming, witty
and very smart, but I gained some insight into the world of "little people."
And at times actually found myself jealous.
Nick told me, "Whatever
you do, don’t call them midgets." Why not?
Scotty F-Word: Because it’s
like nigger to a black person.
I’m sorry I wore this
[t-shirt with the logo of the band Dwarves on it].
SF-W: That’s cool.
Dwarves is cool. I’m pissed off because there’s all the bands–the
Dwarves, They Might Be Giants–they’re all tall. I’m like, "Dude,
they’re stealing all the good names from us." So we were going to
call ourselves the Tall People.
You guys are into this whole
"small" thing, but really you’re not much smaller than the Rolling
Stones or AC/DC. How tall are you?
SF-W: I’m the tallest
in the band. I’m 4-6–
SF-W: –and a half,
and a half. I need all the size I can get.
And you, Pauly?
Pauly J: Four-two.
And you, Jimmy?
Jimmy G: Four-three, 4-4,
something like that.
So how did you guys come
SF-W: We were all on the
street and we were like, "Holy shit, let’s form a band." Nah.
There’s an organization out there for little people. It’s about 5000
people nationwide, more worldwide. We just get together and party once a year
in a different city. So we’ve known each other for a real long time. I
used to be in a band of little people before, but creative differences–we
never took off. But I’ve always wanted to do this, because it’s gonna
sell. Everyone’s intrigued by it. And these guys [Clemente and Kevin LePore]
had the same idea. You wanted a Kiss cover band?
Nick Clemente: Actually,
we were forming Sedated [a Ramones cover band] and having trouble, and I said,
"I don’t care if they’re little people, I want a Ramones band."
SF-W: You said "little
people"? (laughs) So then these guys put out an all-points bulletin for
little people that want to tear this world apart.
Ads in the back of newspapers
saying, "Little people wanted for band"?
NC: Online. With the Little
People of America, the LPA, the association he was talking about.
Pauly J: Five thousand people.
So you guys all go to one
hotel for these annual meetings?
PJ: Yeah, like to a Marriott.
This year it was in Minnesota, last year it was in L.A., next year it’s
SF-W: It’s cool. We
actually get laid there.
We’ll get to that.
Is it true what they say about smoking?
SF-W (sarcastically): Ha!
Stunts your growth!
Anybody got a cigarette
Danny Roselle: That was
just a ploy to get a cigarette!
So you were probably smoking
when you were like 12, right?
SF-W: We came out smoking.
My mom started smoking, so I came out with a butt in my mouth. That’s why
I’m so short.
Little people do all different
kinds of jobs, right? From punk rockers to doctors and lawyers?
SF-W: We do it all, man.
Pauly, you’re the guitarist.
Let me see the size of your hands. [They compare hand sizes] Everyone says I
have small hands–
PJ: And you know what they
say about people with small hands.
I can’t reach around
a Les Paul. Fucking kills me. I was wondering what you guys do for musical instruments.
I use a Mosrite with a pencil-thin neck. What do you guys do about guitar and
PJ: I grew up playing guitar
all the time, so I just got used to it.
You play a full-sized guitar?
PJ: I play a mini right
now, but I’m used to playing full-sized.
Do barre chords and stuff?
Reach your fingers around?
PJ: Yeah. When I joined
these guys, we both [he and Jimmy Gee] got minis. He’s got a Bronco and
I have a Fender mini.
Are they made for kids or
for little people?
PJ: They’re not made
for little people, obviously.
SF-W: Not a big market.
PJ: They’re three-quarter-size.
Do you guys carry your own
SF-W: Fuck no. That’s
what we got tall people for.
PJ: All different kinds.
Metallica, Black Sabbath, Maiden I guess.
SF-W: I like Disturbed,
Slipknot. Even though our music isn’t as hard as theirs, that’s where
I get all my aggression, from listening to that. The style of music we play
is probably more like Stone Temple Pilots, but a little harder. The music I
listen to is really fucking hard, very angry. I’m an angry guy.
You’re an angry little
SF-W: Yeah. Don’t piss
You guys have groupies?
SF-W: I have a stripper
She’s a little person?
SF-W: No, she’s average
size. She sent me pictures of herself naked. Now she wants a picture of me naked…
I was like, hell no. We’re gonna make it big someday, and then she’s
gonna use it against me. But yeah, it’s really weird. I figured out the
reason she’s interested. She can’t talk. Her voicebox is gone. And
she can’t hear either. But she’s hot, man.
It’s weird to have a groupie who can’t hear the band.
SF-W: Well, she’s more
into the little person thing. We’re like a fantasy thing to some chicks,
I guess. They always want what they can’t have. You don’t see us very
often, and when they do they’re fascinated by us.
When you give a woman oral
sex, do you go down on her or go up?
SF-W: I can stand up
and have oral sex with a woman. They walk by and I go, "Gee, your hair
Are the Little Kingz crowned?
Are you circumcised?
PJ: Whoa. That’s a
SF-W: Yes, I am proudly
circumcised. Yeah, I did it myself. I did it in the cab. I heard you were going
to ask the question so I did it on the way over here.
Because you’re little,
do you get drunk faster?
SF-W: Come out drinking
with us tonight, dude. I’ll drink you under the table. We get drunk and
keep going. We got deep insides, you know? We’re not like kids.
You guys are from different
places, right? Pauly, you’re from…
PJ: New Haven.
And you rehearse…
SF-W: Every weekend. We
have a studio in New Jersey.
You guys drive?
SF-W: Yeah, he [Pauly] gets
on the floor and pushes the pedals, I get on his [Jimmy’s] shoulders and
steer. Is that what you mean?
Yeah, I was wondering.
SF-W: I got ya.
Strausbaugh: You have to
stay on George’s level.
SF-W: I hear ya, man.
I see from the presskit
that you guys opened for the Mighty Mighty Bosstones.
SF-W: That was awesome.
Dee Snider had a Strange Jam going [for Halloween]. He had Two Skinnee J’s,
the Bosstones, Flogging Molly and us. That was a riot. Total of about
6000 people there.
You guys were probably the
best band on that bill.
SF-W: That’s what we
were told. All due respect to the Two Skinny J’s. They’re friends
But the Bosstones…
SF-W: We didn’t stick
around for them, actually. (laughter)
The presskit also says you
guys are like the Jackie Robinsons of rock. I don’t get it. You don’t
look black to me.
SF-W: No, dude. It’s
in the sense that we’re the first in the world doing what we’re doing,
like Jackie Robinson was to baseball. We’re the world’s first all-little-people
NC: But also the Jackie
Robinson thing has to do with people thinking, can they do the job…
Do you guys get Wizard
of Oz jokes?
PJ: All of them.
Any good ones?
Do you hate Randy Newman?
SF-W: He comes out in my
stool… It was hating him for doing the song, though. I do. It was everyone
bugging me about it afterwards.
When you were in school
were you normal and then you stopped growing up?
SF-W: No one’s normal,
PJ: Not "normal,"
Okay, I want to say for
the record that in 11th grade and 12th grade I was 4-11. I got my ass kicked
all the time.
SF-W: Then you have to hang
out with tall people, dude. I had all tall people take care of my business.
I had people around me that would rip ’em apart.
JG: And you get a rep of,
well, he’s small but he’s tough.
SF-W: But to get back to
your question, no, we were like this all our lives. You’re born little.
And you guys just did a
movie with Ben Stiller?
SF-W: It’s a movie
called Zoolander. It’s going to be out in 2001. Ben Stiller, Owen
Wilson and Christine Taylor. She’s Marcia Brady in the Brady Bunch
movies. She’s hot. And married to Ben Stiller. He let us know that. They
play two models–Ben Stiller’s character is on the way out as a model
as Owen Wilson’s is on the way in. So there’s jealousy issues. Ben
Stiller is brainwashed to kill the prime minister of Malaysia. It’s really
nutty. We’re in a scene where Owen Wilson has this big loft apartment in
the city, and in this apartment there’s all these different walks of life,
from tattooed guys to punkers with mohawks, a skateboard half-pipe, and we’re
the band. We play a little band from Finland… We’re in an orgy scene
with Ben Stiller and Christine Taylor. The whole week I had a hard-on.
Have you guys done other
SF-W: Yeah, I have. We all
have. But nothing discriminatory. We obviously realize that people are going
to get a kick out of seeing you just because you’re little. That’s
understandable. But nothing freakshow.
Strausbaugh: You guys have
day jobs still?
SF-W: Yeah, but we’re
slowly getting out of that. That’s a tough transition from being just a
little house band that plays for a couple bucks every once in a while to now–we’re
doing a lot more and on the verge of something pretty big, pardon the pun. We
have cool jobs, where they let us take the time off we need. We’re definitely
looking forward to doing this full time.
You guys got a label?
DR: We haven’t started
shopping yet. We’re bringing them into the studio right now and doing an
Who gets the most pussy
in the band?
SF-W: I’d have to say
it’s like a buffet. It’s help yourself between all of us.